Voter ID: Your Thoughts

November 6, 2012

Announcements, Politics

Today, Kenneth Montgomery posted on Facebook:

“It is amazing to me how many dead people rise up from the grave and vote on Election Day. Or how many people are bussed around to be able to vote more than once. Without Voter ID these practices will never be stopped.”

Take the time to tell us what you think about Voter ID.

JBS

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27 Comments on “Voter ID: Your Thoughts”

  1. brenda caradine Says:

    you can rely on the thoughts of a seasoned bail bondsman who has been in business for years and knows lots about human nature–thanks for your remarks on voter I.D.Kenny Montgomery. We need honest intent in all elections

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  2. Street King Says:

    He definitely has a point.

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  3. Berry Hinds Says:

    Voting is the most valuable right we have in the United States. Denying someone that right is wrong. By the same token not ensuring that the person voting is the one registered does not preserve the integrity of that right and the voting selection process. I always show my ID and registration card every time I vote as should everyone.

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  4. John Longmire Says:

    Voter ID is necessary to maintain the integrity of our elections system. We have a right to vote, but we also have a responsibility to be as citizen’s to be informed in order to take on a meaningful part in the political process. I have two concerns about not providing a picture ID to vote: The first is voter fraud… There’s too many dead people on the voter rolls and it’s too easy to come in early and vote in place of your neighbor. Secondly (and this plays to my earlier point), would really want me taking part in something as important as the presidential election if I wasn’t informed enough, or didn’t have the wherewithal to be able to obtain a valid ID? Politics are important and our informed vote matters. Be responsible, stay informed and prove you are who you say you are.

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  5. S. THOMAS Says:

    With technology the way it is today there is no excuse for any of these issues. Technology can eliminate any and all room for error. Voting cards with pin numbers…we should be able to vote from home on on our computer or our smart phones. One vote for each pin number issued.

    Makes m wonder how many deceased folks are drawing Social Security, getting food stamps and other government aid….the entire system is wide open for fraud.

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  6. Laird Bagnall Says:

    Between 2000 and 2010, there were:
    649 million votes cast in general elections
    47,000 UFO sightings
    441 Americans killed by lightning
    13 credible cases of in-person voter impersonation

    To thwart this non-problem, since 2001, nearly 1,000 bills that would tighten voting laws have been introduced in 46 states.

    Somebody is rigging the system alright.

    The problem is voter supression, not voter fraud.

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    • Bubba Says:

      And just how will showing your ID suppress your right to vote?? I’m thinking you don’t want to show your ID because: it might lead to that outstanding warrant you’re running from somewhere else. It’s also noteworthy to mention the only people objecting to voter ID are blacks, who are the same people who don’t use bank accounts (could that be because if there was a record of “cash on hand” someone might lose their state freebies?)

      But then again, there’s a large group who don’t feel the need to carry a drivers license, even when driving (mostly because it is suspended), or insurance, or even a valid tag, so it comes as no surprise they wouldn’t want to be ID’d when they vote either.

      Oh, did I mention everybody has a “street name”???

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  7. John Dorroh Says:

    Being able to vote more than once is a serious flaw in the system. A deeper issue, however, is how a person can do it, knowing that it’s borderline against the law, and morally wrong. People who do it (and I’ve heard that there are quite a few, more than the average person is aware) have a sort of moral cancer deep within their souls. They have found the loopholes and have no qualms about using them. These are the same people who cheat the system (and the taxpayers) every day. They remind me of spoiled kids who can’t get their way, so they cheat at all costs.

    These people probably cheat on their taxes (if they pay any), encourage their children to hate, have sex with their kinfolks, and cram food into their purses and coat pcokets at buffets. I do not want to go on a picnic with any of them.

    And of course they show up at church on Sunday morning and Wednesday night to make sure that everyone knows that they are one of God’s chosen few.

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  8. Raider Says:

    There you go Laird Bagnall, you are playing unfair and trying to introduce facts and common sense to the situation. But, just for this stupid argument, their have always been voter ID laws. The law just didn’t require a photo ID. There are many ways to check and verify a voters ID. But to reduce it down to a government issued photo ID is not about determining the ID of the voter. It is about suppressing the vote.

    Just think about how crazy this voter ID hoopla is. Start with the fact that you can go to jail for voting illegally. Now, in this election, around 120 million votes were cast. Why anyone thinks that there are large groups of people out there, putting their freedom on the line, to be 1 extra vote in the huge pool of 120 million people, is beyond me. Sure, you may have 1 or 2 here and there, but it’s not enough to justify all the photo ID laws. What is even crazier is, fake ID’s are much more prevalent than in person voter fraud.

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    • Henry Samuels Says:

      Raider, you advocate CPD chief McQueen being able to arrest people for offensive internet speech, yet you complain about the government requiring a photo ID to ensure the integrity of the voting process. You have a selectively warped sense of outrage when it comes to the authority of the government over the citizenry.

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      • Raider Says:

        Henry, could you please tell me when and where I advocated that the police could arrest someone/anyone for “offensive internet speech”? I assume that you are talking about the firemen situation on the Dispatch site. I don’t remember advocating that Chief McQueen could or should arrest anybody for the post. I don’t remember anybody advocating that anybody should be arrested for the posting or for people “liking” the post. But before I go any further, I will allow you to respond and provide some facts to back up your post.

      • Henry Samuels Says:

        Did you or did you not write the following? “it is clear what the Chief is saying…if you continually curse a person out via Facebook and Twitter, you can be prosecuted for bullying the individual.”

    • Bubba Says:

      You can also go to jail for driving with a suspended license, no insurance, no tag, a stolen car, a Deity Delivered gun under your seat Raider… what’s your point?

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  9. Raider Says:

    You are correct, I did write that because cyber-bullying is against the law. But if you are defending the right of someone to cyber-bully other people to the right of someone to vote, I think you are very misguided. If you can’t separate the two and see the difference, I think you will find that a lot of my thinking is warped in your mind.

    So, in the context of voter ID versus cyber-bullying, I find the “You have a selectively warped sense of outrage when it comes to the authority of the government over the citizenry.”

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  10. Raider Says:

    Henry, correct me if I am wrong, I guess you are comparing the ideal of “suppression”. I assume you believe that suppression of voting is comparable to suppression individuals free speech rights to bully others? I am assuming that you are advocating that a bully should have free speech rights to cyber-bully other people? Is that what you are saying? Is that your contention? Is so, then I will say yes, the government should suppress the speech of those individuals that cyber-bully other individuals.

    Over the last few years, we have seen a number of teenagers commit suicide as a result of cyber-bullying. I believe the government has a duty to take action to protect individuals against bullying. On the other-hand, I do not believe the government should be taking actions with the clear intent to suppress and deny citizens the right to vote. Call me crazy or “warped”, but I will stand by those positions.

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    • Henry Samuels Says:

      So you admit to writing it, then mix cyber-bullying with offensive speech. You have long been quick to criticize others for wrapping one issue into another just to make a point. For instance, you demanded a differentiation between voter fraud and absentee ballot fraud. Now it’s your turn to stop wrapping tow issues together.
      Cyber-bullying involves minors, not adults. Look up the court decisions yourself. You advocate elevating a civil tort between adults to a criminal level, on a subject in which the state has no vested interest. Under your ideology, Flynt would have been arrested for his publishing of an offensive and profane insult to Falwell if he had published it to the internet.
      You have expressed support for a city police chief to arrest adults for cursing one another on the internet, with no state interest involved, yet you deride government measures to protect the integrity of the political election process, in which the state very much has a vested interest, and which for which there are already laws criminalizing voter fraud.
      What is next if you get your way, if a local police chief can arrest adults for exchanging profanity and curses on the internet? Arresting people for expressing political, religious and social philosophies you disagree with? You want Selvain McQueen to have state sanctioned authority to arrest people for being rude on the internet, but you think showing a photo ID, to cast a vote to elect the person who controls this nation’s military and nuclear arsenal, is too much and going to far?
      You call voter ID suppressive, yet you advocate a local police chief censoring internet speech and enforcing yours, and his, sense of etiquette and good manners. Yes, your wants and beliefs are warped, in my opinion.

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      • Henry Samuels Says:

        Oh, and before I forget to mention it, this is what the people get when government criminalizes free speech.

      • Raider Says:

        Oh, now this make sense. I was wondering how we got from voter ID to Sevain McQueen. So, are you the same person that was whining on the dispatch website about me “wrapping one issue into another” or are just a part of the group of whiners? Since you, and I guess your group write down everything I say, could you tell me the title of the story that we are talking about? I don’t take this stuff as serious as you do, but I would like to go back and read the story and the comments. You know, y’all really need to get over the “you support Selvain McQueen and Robert Smith and Joe Johnson and the Superintendent” and mess. I believe it’s driving your blood pressure through the roof. While reading your response, I could just see the venom dripping from your fangs.

        “You have long been quick to criticize others for wrapping one issue into another just to make a point. ”

        Could you explain when I have complained about this? I am sure you have it written down. To tell the truth, I don’t have a clue of what you or your buddy are/was talking about.

        “yet you deride government measures to protect the integrity of the political election process, in which the state very much has a vested interest, and which for which there are already laws criminalizing voter fraud.”

        Yes I do in this case, because I know the goal is not to protect the voting process. The goal is simply to suppress the vote. If the goal was simply to protect the voting process, they would accept multiple forms of ID. These other forms of ID was ok for 235 years before right wingers decided you could eliminate a high number of minorities by requiring state provided photo ID. If they already have laws covering voter fraud, why do they need Voter ID laws?

      • Henry Samuels Says:

        You would benefit from something I heard from a pulpit one time. Tell the truth every chance you get because keeping track of lies is hard to do. Not to mention, lies need more and more lies to cover for the last ones told. The truth is easier to keep track of and remember.
        It wasn’t me who was whining about you wrapping one issue into another one. It was you complaining about me and others doing it. When you wrote that voter ID laws were an attempt to solve a problem that wasn’t a problem, you wrote that there were no cases of widespread voter fraud in the US. I countered that your own mayor, Robert Smith, had sued councilman Jackie Ball for absentee ballot fraud and won. You then testily admonished everyone on the site to not mix voter fraud with absentee ballot fraud. You said they are two different things, while avoiding addressing the fact that absentee ballot fraud is about voting and the case I referenced actually happened locally.
        Now who is it that is mixing two things to justify one of them? You try to use cyber-stalking, a crime against underage minors, to justify a police chief arresting adults for using profanity, fighting and arguing on the internet. It was your mindset, and low level justification for abusive police powers, that landed Dr. King and countless civil rights workers in jail. Your philosophy of police Naziism is no better than what the rabid white segregationists of the past used to rationalize massive arrests of citizens because they offended segregationist ideology..You want to use police powers to make criminals of people who offend you, who you think are rude and insulting. Who you want to abuse and make criminals of is irrelevant. In my opinion, The methods are the same. We know how theirs ended. Yours and McQueen’s will end the same way.

      • Henry Samuels Says:

        One correction to my message; “try to use cyber-stalking, a crime against underage minors,” should have been “try to use cyber-bullying, a crime against underage minors,”.
        When adults curse one another and use profanity in an argument on the internet, that is not cyber-bullying. Any claims that it is are untrue and false.

    • Bubba Says:

      why don’t you quit BS’n everyone and tell us how it suppresses the vote?

      And no, you’re no Nazi… more like a Louis Ferrethead wanna be. “You and your whole little group are the same.”

      Isn’t it funny how your lipstick fails to cover your pig mouth?

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  11. Raider Says:

    Lord knows I am going to have to quit commenting on these sites because y’all take this stuff a whole lot more seriously than I do. Now I am a Nazi? First off, how am I lying about some case that I have never looked up? Second, in person voter fraud is different from absentee voter registration fraud. I am not sure, but I believe that is what that conversation was about. Now how is Robert Smith sueing Jackie Ball and example of widespread voter fraud?

    You said you countered what I said with your own argument, so are you oldhenry? Not that it makes a difference. You and your whole little group are the same.

    Again, since you obviously have all my comments and all the stories that I have commented on cataloged, could you tell me what story you are referencing so that I can go back and read up on them before I respond to your comments. Normally, after a few days, I move on from a story and I do not go back. I don’t sit around stewing over what comments you or anyone else made about a particular story.

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    • Henry Samuels Says:

      Up the river of denial again. It gets so repetitive, it ends up being boring. You were given the information, more than enough for you to look up your own comments and the subject matter of the article.
      I was never under the impression you take what you say, or what the subject is, as being serious in any way. Trolls seldom take any subject matter seriously. That is not what they show up for. They exist for creating confusion and chaos, the more the better. Trolls wing it and make it up as they go, most of them not being knowledgeable on whatever subject is being discussed. So I am not surprised that you can’t keep track of your own statements form site to site.
      Yes, I did use the word Naziism. Would you prefer I had used some other descriptive way of referring to the ideology of using unlimited police powers to censor and suppress offensive and uncooperative speech, actions and ideas? That is what you want Selvain McQueen to be able to do, is it not? To be able to arrest anyone who curses him, you, the mayor, a councilman, any public official, verbally or on the internet? Isn’t that it? Would you prefer I use a reference to Stalin, McCarthy, Idi Amin instead maybe? No? How about a more fitting description of your fantasy of an all powerful police chief with unlimited police power…Theophilus Eugene “Bull” Connor. You are familiar with Bull Connor are you not? How did that kind of supreme police authority work out for Connor and his ilk?
      I mentioned Robert Smith’s lawsuit and win against Jackie Ball to not only make the point that cheaters and fraud are real, and are involved in the political process here in this city, but so others could see your response. Local voter fraud didn’t start or stop with Jackie Ball, ward one or that one election. And anyone who is willing to commit absentee ballot fraud isn’t beyond in person voter fraud.
      The state has a responsibility to protect the integrity of the process that selects the person who is the supreme commander of our armed forces and controls our massive nuclear arsenal. Not with tricks and beans in a jar counting, but making sure that my vote is mine and, like it or not, that yours is yours, and everyone’s is theirs and not stolen by imposters.
      When critics of voter ID were challenged on the many ways in today’s world that citizens face having to verify their identity, what did they do? They found someone to put on the anti-voter ID poster, Ms. Joanna Jenkins, a 108 year old woman from South Carolina. Really? What? No bona fide case here in Lowndes County, or Mississippi? The problem was they had to find someone that the media wouldn’t later out as already having gotten a photo ID at some point in the past; a driver’s license, a military ID, a passport, a school ID, etc. So a media circus built up around a 108 year old woman. Is that the best your side of the argument could come up with?
      For every US citizen, regardless of race, gender or ethnicity, who has submitted to a photo identification process for school, for employment, for benefits, to drive, in service to this country, your illusionary complaint, that this one example is racist and discriminatory, is juvenile and pure fiction. It is an insult to every person, of every race and color, who has fought for this country, served the public as a fire fighter, police officer, public employee, doctors, nurses and other health care workers, teachers and administrators, the list is endless. Your excuses and rationalizations are not.

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      • Raider Says:

        Henry, I believe you are misunderstanding things, as you always do, when I say I don’t take this stuff as serious as some. It does not mean that I don’t believe what I say. It means that, I don’t get upset by the comments of others. My blood pressure does rise when people disagree with me. It mean that I am not so driven by hate for the other side that I twist what ever they say to fit my own interpretation of their comments. It other words, this is a source of joy for me. A place where on occasion I come and have a conversation with people from both side of a conversation. I don’t spend time cataloging their conversation or going back to search what was said on this conversation or that conversation, unless it is direct follow-up to a previous story. Unlike you, I just don’t have time to do all that nor do I want to.

        “For every US citizen, regardless of race, gender or ethnicity, who has submitted to a photo identification process for school, for employment, for benefits, to drive, in service to this country, your illusionary complaint, that this one example is racist and discriminatory, is juvenile and pure fiction. ”

        Contrary to your assertion, their are alternate ways to establish someone’s identity other than government issued photo ID. Even when we look at your comment, ID’s for school and employment is not necessarily issued by government agencies and in most of the state that were advocating photo ID, those IDs would not be acceptable forms of identity. When it comes to ID for the military, I believe on the Dispatch site I posted that I did not provide my birth certificate or any government issued ID, except SS card, when I joined the AF. However, the lynch pin to get all these state issued ID’s was having a state issued birth certificate. I didn’t get my birth certificate until I was serving in Japan and needed the birth certificate to get my passport. Imagine my surprise when I found out that I could be in the military, serving in a foreign country, but I could not use my military ID to get a passport. But, I could use my military ID to travel to countries that did not require a passport. But guess what? There are alternate ways of proving your birth and citizenship to get a passport and to cash a check or get federal benefits.

        “I mentioned Robert Smith’s lawsuit and win against Jackie Ball to not only make the point that cheaters and fraud are real, and are involved in the political process here in this city, but so others could see your response. Local voter fraud didn’t start or stop with Jackie Ball, ward one or that one election. And anyone who is willing to commit absentee ballot fraud isn’t beyond in person voter fraud.”

        I believe if you will pay attention to the conversation, we are not saying that there are never any in-person voter fraud. There are a few cases. But, there are not enough to justify the manufactured outrage and cost of implementing these programs. There are much more fraud taking place in absentee ballots, but very little if anything was proposed to try to fix those problems. The evidence points to a coordinated effort by the republican party to suppressed the vote. It’s that simple in my opinion. Your opinion is obviously different, but I believe the evidence is on my side.

        And when it comes to cyber-bulling, cyber-stalking, harassment or whatever label you want to put on it, I stand by my position. This notion that it’s about two people cursing each other out, is your “warped” interpretation.

        Whatever name or label you put on me, I don’t care, they are just words to me. So, you go right ahead if it makes you feel better.

  12. Kathleen Rushing Says:

    There is no logical reason why Mississippi don’t have voter i.d.. all that racist talk is just talk. How the heck could anyone have protest against an honest election ?? The arguments against it are so darn weak. The whole black voter thing is old news it is time for all of us to enter this current century and quit feeding the beast (Racism).

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    • Bubba Says:

      It’s not about feeding anything Kathleen, it’s about not wanting to face the truth. To hear them tell it, there isn’t a black man in prison who is guilty, no one cheats the state out of food stamps or whatever, Leroy wasn’t stealing concrete for his monument, Jim didn’t misuse his gas card, and the Mayor never rolled on the floor committing a crime while in office. There’s nothing to see in the city payoff of the Assist Chief, no Crimestopper money was ever stolen, no judges ever interfered with a Police Officers duty and there was never any payback dealt to this officer afterwards.

      The schools that recently got bad grades here are all someone else’s fault. It couldn’t be the students refusing to study, and there were no alcohol bottles all over the CHS parking lot and garbage cans full of empties even though there were pictures posted on the Internet (those were taken somewhere else, right?).

      There’s no attempts by locals to circumvent rules and regulations to suit themselves, and there nothing going on in this town according to the Dispatch.

      Did I leave anyone out?

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